BalanceServerSeeders (4.0.0.4 - 21-April-2014): Distribute server seeding players

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

Uploaded version 2.0.0.1

 

- Significant rewrite of the code to get the plugin to properly detect when seeders are actively playing and to not balance them if they are playing

- Improved layout of the "details" info provided within the plugin (inside ProCon)

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

And another bug *hopefully* squashed...now up to 2.0.0.2

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Originally Posted by Jaythegreat1*:

 

Tried this today, along with TruBalancer. Seems like something caused it to keep switching another player and myself on teams.

 

Plugin Settings

 

debug_level = 5

time_since_score = 5

 

Both of us are on the whitelist for TruBalance as well.

 

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:14 PlayerSwitchedSquads Jaythegreat1 swapped from squad Bravo to None

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:14 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:14 PlayerSwitchedTeams M777Matt777 swapped from team Russian Army to U.S Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:14 PlayerSwitchedSquads M777Matt777 swapped from squad Bravo to None

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:14 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 PlayerSwitchedTeams Jaythegreat1 swapped from team U.S Army to Russian Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 PlayerSwitchedTeams M777Matt777 swapped from team U.S Army to Russian Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 PlayerSwitchedSquads M777Matt777 swapped from squad None to Bravo

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 PlayerSwitchedTeams Jaythegreat1 swapped from team Russian Army to U.S Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 PlayerSwitchedTeams M777Matt777 swapped from team Russian Army to U.S Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 PlayerSwitchedSquads M777Matt777 swapped from squad Bravo to None

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 PlayerSwitchedTeams Jaythegreat1 swapped from team U.S Army to Russian Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 PlayerSwitchedTeams M777Matt777 swapped from team U.S Army to Russian Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:15 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 PlayerSwitchedSquads M777Matt777 swapped from squad None to Bravo

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 PlayerSwitchedTeams Jaythegreat1 swapped from team Russian Army to U.S Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 PlayerSwitchedTeams M777Matt777 swapped from team Russian Army to U.S Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 PlayerSwitchedSquads M777Matt777 swapped from squad Bravo to None

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 PlayerSwitchedSquads Jaythegreat1 swapped from squad None to Charlie

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 PlayerSwitchedTeams Jaythegreat1 swapped from team U.S Army to Russian Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 PlayerSwitchedSquads Jaythegreat1 swapped from squad Charlie to None

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 PlayerSwitchedTeams M777Matt777 swapped from team U.S Army to Russian Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 PlayerSwitchedSquads Youstillkid swapped from squad Echo to Charlie

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:16 PlayerSwitchedSquads M777Matt777 swapped from squad None to Bravo

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 PlayerSwitchedSquads M777Matt777 swapped from squad Bravo to None

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 PlayerSwitchedSquads Jaythegreat1 swapped from squad None to Bravo

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 PlayerSwitchedTeams Jaythegreat1 swapped from team Russian Army to U.S Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 PlayerSwitchedSquads Jaythegreat1 swapped from squad Bravo to None

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 PlayerSwitchedTeams M777Matt777 swapped from team Russian Army to U.S Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 PlayerSwitchedSquads Jaythegreat1 swapped from squad None to Echo

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 PlayerSwitchedSquads Jaythegreat1 swapped from squad Echo to None

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 PlayerSwitchedSquads M777Matt777 swapped from squad None to Echo

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 PlayerSwitchedSquads M777Matt777 swapped from squad Echo to None

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 PlayerSwitchedSquads Jaythegreat1 swapped from squad None to Echo

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 PlayerSwitchedTeams Jaythegreat1 swapped from team U.S Army to Russian Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 PlayerSwitchedSquads Jaythegreat1 swapped from squad Echo to None

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 PlayerSwitchedTeams M777Matt777 swapped from team U.S Army to Russian Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:17 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:18 PlayerSwitchedSquads Jaythegreat1 swapped from squad None to Bravo

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:18 PlayerSwitchedSquads Jaythegreat1 swapped from squad Bravo to None

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:18 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:18 PlayerSwitchedSquads M777Matt777 swapped from squad None to Bravo

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:18 PlayerSwitchedSquads M777Matt777 swapped from squad Bravo to None

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:18 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:18 PlayerSwitchedTeams Jaythegreat1 swapped from team Russian Army to U.S Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:18 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:18 PlayerSwitchedTeams M777Matt777 swapped from team Russian Army to U.S Army

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:18 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:18 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin Jaythegreat1 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:18 SYSOP PlayerMovedByAdmin M777Matt777 was moved to another team/squad by an admin

Playerlist 04/22/2012 18:39:18 PlayerSwitchedSquads M777Matt777 swapped from squad None to Echo

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch_v=UBU3P...layer_embedded

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

Hmmmmm.....

 

Do you have a copy of the log from the plugin console? That is where this plugin writes all it's "diagnostic" info that might help show what is going on (if it is this plugin that was doing it).

 

All the output from this plugin will be prefixed with BalanceServerSeeders:

 

Here's a sample from the last few moments of it watching my servers... (I forced a player move to put 2 campers online to make it show the output when it moves players).

 

[22:07:13 78] BalanceServerSeeders: Found a seeder: Flyswamper on Team 1

[22:07:13 78] BalanceServerSeeders: Found a seeder: Snizzicks on Team 1

[22:07:13 79] BalanceServerSeeders: Detected 2 seeders online (active + inactive), and 0 seeders are detected as actively playing

[22:07:13 79] BalanceServerSeeders: Detected Flyswamper as idle seeders on Team 1

[22:07:13 79] BalanceServerSeeders: Detected Snizzicks as idle seeders on Team 1

[22:07:13 79] BalanceServerSeeders: Detected 2 idle seeders on Team 1, and 0 idle seeders on Team 2.

[22:07:13 79] BalanceServerSeeders: Detected too many seeders on Team 1, difference = 2

[22:07:13 79] BalanceServerSeeders: Moving seeder Flyswamper from Team 1 to Team 2

[22:07:14 12] BalanceServerSeeders: Player count 9

[22:07:14 12] BalanceServerSeeders: Found a seeder: Flyswamper on Team 2

[22:07:14 12] BalanceServerSeeders: Found a seeder: Snizzicks on Team 1

[22:07:14 12] BalanceServerSeeders: Detected 2 seeders online (active + inactive), and 0 seeders are detected as actively playing

[22:07:14 12] BalanceServerSeeders: Detected Flyswamper as idle seeders on Team 2

[22:07:14 12] BalanceServerSeeders: Detected Snizzicks as idle seeders on Team 1

[22:07:14 13] BalanceServerSeeders: Detected 1 idle seeders on Team 1, and 1 idle seeders on Team 2.

Also.... what version are you using? Here are the versions that I am currently using:

-BalanceServerSeeders - 2.0.0.2

-True Balancer BF3 - 0.1.6.0

 

 

Will be interesting to see if those moves are caused by this plugin, another plugin, or some combination of the two interacting...

 

If I had to guess before seeing the plugin-console log, it sounds like TrueBalancer's whitelist wasn't working right and the plugins were having a "fight" about where to put you. But that is just wild speculation at this point.

 

If you can duplicate the behavior, make sure that TrueBalancer's debug is turned on as well and grab the plugin-console logs. They should show which plugin(s) are moving players around.

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

The above report prompted me to have a closer look at the code yet again. I haven't found any bugs in the code but I have cleaned the code up just a bit and improved the diagnostic output that gets written to the plugin console log. Uploaded the update a few moments ago.

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

Version 2.0.0.4

 

Bug fix related to detection of when seeder is actively playing versus being idle. Bug would cause plugin to think seeder was idle when he/she was actively playing unless they scored more than their prior max score. Fixed so that score should reset for every player-list update, this *should* mean better detection of when a seeder is actively playing (or not).

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Originally Posted by RastasUAKh*:

 

Thanks a lot!

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

You are welcome. If you hadn't noticed, I am a novice programmer that has a tendency to put out code before it's been thoroughly tested. So... although I *think* I've just about got this idle detection business to a stable point now... please don't hesistate to let me know if you see anything funky and it not working like you think it should.

 

And to anybody reading this that is using this plugin... I really would strongly suggest you update to the current version now. The prior plugin versions worked properly under a lot of circumstances, but there were plenty of situations where it didn't exactly do what it should have as well.... (I still think that video posted is a failed whitelist for another plugin but I suppose anythign is possible).

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Originally Posted by Deputydog857*:

 

Does this work for BC2 also? If not, is there seeder plugin for BC2?

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

Hmmmmm ..... my guess is that it should work for BC2. But since I no longer have a BC2 server at my disposal, I can't say with 100% certainty. I'd suggest giving it a try and let me know if you run into any issues. Pretty sure the plugin is only relying on standard information that should be coming in the same way for both games.

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Originally Posted by AJToft*:

 

Regarding the soldier accounts, for server seeders. Can i use mine or other clanmembers accounts or how does it work?

Must the Server seeders be online? Or will they be shown as online even though they are not online_

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

The plugin does *NOT* add players/seeders to the server. Someone must manually turn on their computer, login to their battlelog account, and connect to your gameserver with their seeder-soldier account.

 

The plugin does essentially the same thing that a TrueBalancer plugin might do, except that it ONLY looks at seeder accounts that you designate as such. If it sees that you have 4 seeder accounts online in your server (and they are all AFK) it will make sure that 2 of them are always on one team and 2 are on the other team. It simply prevents the situation where all 4 seeder-AFK accounts end up on the same team and if other people join your server they have nobody to play against.

 

It does *NOT* magically add players/seeders to your game server. It just balances the ones you (and friends) put there yourself.

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Originally Posted by k4n30*:

 

Any plans on adding the defending side favouring in rush/sqrush mode? I suppose all it will take is a gamemode check to detect if its running that type of game mode.

 

I have a few requests but let me know what you think

 

- Odd number of SEEDERS (1,3,5 etc) - put the majority on the defending team (I understand your issues with stats padding, but with every server being 1 player start anyway, having that extra defender is not going to prevent or discourage stat padding)

- Even number of SEEDERS (2,4,6 etc)- balance seeders as u do currently

- Odd number of PLAYERS (1,3,5 etc)- Check the player list and ensure non seeders have preference to the attacking side (eg: server has 2 players, both seeders. 1 public player joins and gets put on defending team - therefore can't score) - plugin should move them to attackers.

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Originally Posted by seim*:

 

What about an option to balance the server seeders right before end into the winning team? I just noticed that the server seeders having a very bad win/loss ratio because they're for some reason everytime in the loosing team.

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Originally Posted by k4n30*:

 

What about an option to balance the server seeders right before end into the winning team? I just noticed that the server seeders having a very bad win/loss ratio because they're for some reason everytime in the loosing team.

If you have seeders in your server, then the point of this plugin is to balance them (ie: put equal numbers onto both teams). If its doing its job properly, then the seeders should be getting an equal win/loss ratio - half win, half lose. If they are losing heaps it's because their team is one (or more) players short - due to the seeder/s. And its probably understandable why they lost, as their team has less active players.

 

I understand your reasoning, but then its also going to inflate their win loss ratio. The other problem is, the server or plugins for that matter cant tell its close to the end unless its based on tickets (eg: tickets left

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

kn, I've been away on holidays for a couple of weeks (actually I'm still away from home at the moment) and I had a crazy-busy couple of weeks before I left at the office. So I hadn't seen this for a bit. Can't promise anything but I'll have a look at your suggestions/ideas when I get back. Hopefully I'll have a chance to peek at it by early July.

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Originally Posted by CPx4*:

 

I think ALL of k4n30's suggestions would be superb additions to this plugin

 

I came here specifically to post about moving seeders to the 'Defender' side. When I'm seeding, I move myself to 'defenders' when I'm 1st to join the server.

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

Any plans on adding the defending side favouring in rush/sqrush mode? I suppose all it will take is a gamemode check to detect if its running that type of game mode.

 

I have a few requests but let me know what you think

 

- Odd number of SEEDERS (1,3,5 etc) - put the majority on the defending team (I understand your issues with stats padding, but with every server being 1 player start anyway, having that extra defender is not going to prevent or discourage stat padding)

- Even number of SEEDERS (2,4,6 etc)- balance seeders as u do currently

- Odd number of PLAYERS (1,3,5 etc)- Check the player list and ensure non seeders have preference to the attacking side (eg: server has 2 players, both seeders. 1 public player joins and gets put on defending team - therefore can't score) - plugin should move them to attackers.

Hey kn.... I'm back and should have plenty of time to work on your suggestions this coming weekend. We have put in the cancel order for the BF3 server that my gaming group has had (our group has dwindled so it's basically just me keeping it alive...time to kill it ) But.... I should have the server available to me through this coming weekend and I've got two soldier-accts that I can use for testing in my empty server. So..... my writing this post is my attempt to promise to you that I'll get off my butt and add the functionality you describe. I like those ideas.

 

I'm sure with a bit of poking around other plugins and the documentation I can find the info I'll need, but.... if any other plugin developers are out there and want to give me type quick answer as to how you know which team is defenders and which is attackers that would save me a few minutes of searching time. Also the game mode detection would be nice. Again... I'll find this stuff out myself.... but if you wanna humor a lazy-ass plugin coder (thats me) I'm all ears and will focus more on just revising the plugin code/logic.

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Originally Posted by k4n30*:

 

Great News,

 

If you don't get it finished it time, I'm willing to let you have procon access to my server. I can provide you FTP access to the plugins folder too, for new uploads if need be as we host our own layer server. These features are important as we seed our servers nearly every day to get them going and it works well, it'd just be nice to get some automation happening so I don't have to manually move my soldier every round.

 

Not sure if it would help, but I know Panther's TrueBalancer plugin* does a lot of the functionality that you require and he's pretty helpful as I've chatted with him before and also done some beta testing for some releases of his plugin. But I guess it would depend on your timezone vs his

 

If you need any testing done let me know

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

Sounds good. I'll see where I get this weekend testing with our server before it dies. And then (depending on need) maybe talk to you about temporary access to your for testing if that is needed to clean it up.

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

okie dokie k4n30....

 

I've made some changes and it seems to be working. Given that I do this stuff by more trial and error than divine intution, there is plenty of potential for bugs and unexpected behavior. So... I've left the old version up for re-install as well. Give it a shot and let me know what you find. I've managed to test it with seeder counts of 1 and 2 for our server.

 

Also... be aware that I'll be around most of this weekend to debug and fix. I'll still be around much of the weeknights next week, but after that I'll be travelign for essentially the next month. During that month I may be on with laptop/internet or I may not.... So.. point is.... the sooner we find and squash the bugs the better.

 

The logic goes something like this now...

 

For RUSH MODE:

 

- If (SeederCount_Attackers > SeederCount_Defenders) THEN move another seeder from attackers to defenders

- If (SeederCount_Defenders > (SeederCount_Attackers+1)) THEN move another seeder from defenders to attacker

 

For any mode that isn't RUSH mode:

- If (SeederCount_Team1> (SeederCount_Team2+1)) THEN move another seeder from team1 to team 2

- If (SeederCount_Team2 > SeederCount_Team1) THEN move another seeder from team 2 to team 1

 

The rush mode logic is (hopefully) as you suggested... it will make sure any odd# seeders are on the defender side.

 

The part that I did extra was to think about the situation where you have an odd number of seeders for conquest. Which team would you prefer to have the extra? I think it is probably best to make sure team1 has the extra.

 

Example situation:

conquest mode. 1 seeder online, Seeder is on team 2

First new/real player joins, server puts him on team 1 so that server things each team now has 1 player

Seconde new player joins, server sees 1 player on each team and puts the new guy on team 1. This means that team 1 will have both the "real" players and team 2 will have the seeder. By forcing the extra seeder to team 1, you would instead end up with the first real player going to team 2 and the 2nd real player going to team 1.

 

At least thats how I *think* it should work.

 

If the seeder is on

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Originally Posted by k4n30*:

 

Hey Flyswamper,

 

Cheers for the fast update. I have updated the plugins and now have it running on 3 servers. The main one i'm worried about is the Rush one and hopefully I can give you some (good) feedback to let you know if its working or not in the next 24 hours. From what you've explained it sounds like you've nailed it.

 

While conquest is not as important for us (its hard for 1 person to seed a server, as the second person who's a real player has nothing to do once they capture all the points) I have it setup on our conquest domination server and hope I can get it tested. I have one issue though. We use the donation version of TrueBalancer which balances the team by TBValue (best to read the description then for me to paraphrase here). Anyway the issue I can see is that players are sorted onto teams based on their "TB-Value" which can mean that new players may be put onto either team. Will this affect your plugin especially with the extra player being put onto team 1?

 

If it does my thinking would be that if there is an odd number of players in the server and an odd number of seeders, that the extra (or lone) seeder would be placed onto the team with higher tickets. If there are even players or even seeders, there would be no need to balance anything (as long as the seeders are balanced). This would cover all cases so that the next real player would go onto the team with less tickets so there should be more people to allow them to come back and win.

 

I'll update as I have more information

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

K4n30,

 

If you are running this plugin and *ANY* other plugin that will attempt to balance the teams, I really think you need to make sure to have your designated seeders in the whitelists of the other plugins that you are running. If you don't you very easily could get the kind of behavior this guy saw...

 

myrcon.net/...balanceserverseeders-distribute-server-seeding-players#entry24141

 

And his youtbue vid of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_v=UBU3P...layer_embedded

 

 

The guy never got back to me with more details, but.... if this plugin and another start "arguing" over where a player should be you could get crazy behavior like that. It *SHOULD* only happen to someone you've designated as a serverseeder so those people shouldn't get pissed off since they aren't just some random player.

 

So... my assumption is that if you have your seeders in TrueBalancer's (or other balancers) whitelist, then they should ignore those players and not include them in their balancing logic or move them. They *should* then do their normal balancing job of moving everyone else. I'm running True Balancer but I'll admit that I don't think I have his latest version. With my server going down in a few days and as much as I've been away it just wasn't a priority.

 

At any rate... let me know what you see.

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Originally Posted by k4n30*:

 

Hahahaha that would be painful, but its all good. The only seeders I have are from my clan and wear my clan tags. At the same time anyone with those tags on are also white listed in True Balancer.

 

I had one seeder in my server last night, but other clan members jumped on pretty quickly so I didn't get to test the seeding side of things. At least today most of my clan are at work / uni so I can get a closer look at the seeding side.

 

Did you understand my point about the extra player being put onto the team with the higher ticket count though?

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Originally Posted by k4n30*:

 

Ok Update number 1:

 

1. There seems to be a bug in your code when there is only 1 player in the server and they are a seeder. I have attached the plugin output set to level 5. You can see everything is ok when the server is empty once the seeder joins the server (in this case myself) everything works until the plugin gets to the code around "Rush mode - detected too many seeders on attackers side". At this point procon locks up and no commands are sent and no layer clients can connect (you can also see CPU usage spikes around 30% and stays there whereas before it sat around 1-5%). I think it has something to do with your while loop but I didn't want to mess with your code too much, as in the end you'll need to make the changes to get it stable.debug.png

 

This doesnt happen if the seeder joins team 2 (ie: there is already a player in the server on the attacking team) as it doesn't hit that part of the code.

 

While testing all this I have now got 8 players in the server so I can't test this any further until the server empties out which I'm not going to force to happen

 

EDIT: I restarted procon and it played along nicely until the end of round where the only seeder was changed to the attacking team. The issue presented itself again where it came up with the "rush mode - detected ......" and procon once again locked up, layer clients went down, and the CPU stuck at 30%. So for now I have had to disable the plugin. It has something to do with moving a seeder from the attacking team to the defending team. There was 10 people in the server at this stage, 5 on each team. (I had disabled all the balancing plugins to ensure they weren't causing conflicts).

 

2. When it was working, I noticed that it kept the seeder on the defending team no matter what. While this is a good idea in principle, what happened was that there were 5 people on the server - 3 attackers & 2 defenders (1 defender being the seeder) so effectively it was 3 v 1. Is it possible to move the seeder to the team with the most people if there are an odd number of players? ORRRR when it detects a new player joining, move the seeder to the other team so that the new joiner is placed on the defending team - hope that makes sense :|

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

Ok, thanks. I'll have a look and see what I can figure out. Keep in mind the old version is still on teh first page of this thread. Just download it, copy it over the top of the other version and restart ProCon and you should have the old one up and running.

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

yep..... found the bug. It was a forehead slapping kind.

 

Had a while loop that was supposed to loop through the seeders looking for one that could be moved. Unforunately, all it was doing is endlessly looking at the first seeder in your list. If you happened to test it with the first seeder in the list as the one you were testing, it would appear to work. All I had to do to recreate your problem was to change the order I typed my designated seeders into the plugin settings and I got the endless loop problem

 

It has been fixed now. New version 2.0.1.1 has been uploaded to the first page (still leaving the older one just in case...)

 

Thanks for the catch. Now lets think about how to handle this desire for an extra seeder to be on defenders initially but sometimes on the attackers depending on player count.....

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Originally Posted by k4n30*:

 

Sweet, I have installed the new plugin but as the server is full there's no need to seed atm. I'm going to try and seed my Conquest Dom server, but its a lot harder to get started due to the other player not being able to do anything until a third person joins. I'll give it a shot and let you know of any problems. Look forward to see what you come up with for the second issue

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Originally Posted by k4n30*:

 

So feedback #2:

 

- Seeding an empty rush server atm, and there doesn't seem to be any present issues

- Was seedming my Conquest Dom server earlier and noticed that I get placed on team 1 no matter what the balance. I think it needs to incorporate the server count as well as the seeder count. There was one player who joined and was on team 1. I then joined to help seed to get it started, but the plugin kept putting me on team 1 even after manually moving myself to team 2.

 

Any update on progress since last time you posted?

 

Cheers

k4n30

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Originally Posted by Flyswamper*:

 

So feedback #2:

 

- Seeding an empty rush server atm, and there doesn't seem to be any present issues

 

 

- Was seedming my Conquest Dom server earlier and noticed that I get placed on team 1 no matter what the balance. I think it needs to incorporate the server count as well as the seeder count. There was one player who joined and was on team 1. I then joined to help seed to get it started, but the plugin kept putting me on team 1 even after manually moving myself to team 2.

 

Any update on progress since last time you posted?

 

Cheers

k4n30

k4n30,

 

thanks for the feedback. Sounds like the plugin is behaving itself this time and is performing just like I'd hope/expect it to.

 

What you describe for the conquest server is what I intended. Here's an attempt at describing how this would work on my groups conquest server (which was cancelled effective today

 

NewGuy#1 joins my server, server puts him on Team 1

 

Flyswamper(seeder) joins the server, server puts him on Team 2

 

BalanceServerSeeder plugin forces Flyswamper over to Team 1.

 

TrueBalancer sees 2 people on team 1 and nobody on Team 2 and since Flyswamper is whitelisted, puts NewGuy#1 over to Team 2.

 

NewGuy#2 joins server, server puts him on Team 1 by default since teams were even before he joined.

 

Now, you have ended up with

Team1: Flyswamper and NewGuy#2

Team2: NewGuy#1

 

Now NewGuy#3 joins and server will put him on Team 2.

NewGuy#4 joins and server puts him on Team 1.

And you are off to the races.

 

 

 

If you let the seeder (Flyswamper) be on Team 2 then the following is what is likely to happen.

 

Starting point:

Team1: NewGuy#1

Team2: Flyswamper

 

Next player joins, server puts him on Team 1 by default and you have:

Team1: NewGuy#1 , NewGuy#2

Team2: Flyswamper

 

Not a good start, but 2 vs 0 isn't *THAT* awful. but....

 

Next player joins, server puts him on Team 2 by default and you have:

Team1: NewGuy#1, NewGuy#2

Team2: Flyswamper, NewGuy#3

 

Ok... 2 vs 1...not great but it's gotta happen... where it gets bad is next....

 

Next player joins, server puts him on Team 1 by default and you have

Team 1: NewGuy #1, NewGuy #2, NewGuy #4

Team2: Flyswamper, NewGuy#3

 

At this point, NewGuy #3 gets pissed that he didn't get help when NewGuy #4 joins and the fact that he is ganged up on 3 vs 1. So he leaves.... Then NewGuy #4 gets balanced to Team 2 and the process repeats itself until you find a newguy that is OK with 3 vs 1.

 

Forcing the seeder to Team 1 doesn't eliminate possiblity of this sort of thing but I think it reduces the odds of this happening quite a bit. It just can't forsee when people join off their buddies and don't goto the default Team #.

 

So...... I haven't really done anything more. I am still thinking that this is probably the most appropriate way to do things. With that said, I'm open to constructive suggestions as to improved logic (provided it's not too complicated to implement as I'm kind of fond of the KISS principle in most places)