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Originally Posted by kcuestag*:

 

This comment confused me. I thought the original request was about the chat log. By "people", do you mean other admins looking at the Procon chat log?

No, I mean at in-game's chat, it says MB: Moved XXXX for balance...
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Originally Posted by PapaCharlie9*:

 

No, I mean at in-game's chat, it says MB: Moved XXXX for balance...

Really? I looked at all the code and I can't find anything that would add MB to the front of the message.

 

Is anyone else seeing this in-game?

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Originally Posted by Freppy*:

 

Really? I looked at all the code and I can't find anything that would add MB to the front of the message.

 

Is anyone else seeing this in-game?

Yes.

Can somebody take a screenshot on it? I'm not home on my gaming PC..

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Originally Posted by feeblemedic*:

 

This all sounds good, anxiously awaiting the next release. Currently running it w/o the scramble enabled to help retain squads.

 

If there was a setting that allowed it to break apart my clans' squads during the scramble, then after the scramble, re-squad clan members/friends of those who happen to be on the same team after the scramble I believe that would be ideal. I like the idea of my clan mates being subject to balancing for the good of the server, and they have no issues as long as they end up in squads together...even if it wasn't the same squad members as last time but still members of the clan/friend list. (that would be my ideal balancing method)

 

There may be a setting that already does that, of which i am not aware.

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Originally Posted by Singh400*:

 

Really? I looked at all the code and I can't find anything that would add MB to the front of the message.

 

Is anyone else seeing this in-game?

Seen this epic plugin in action on Hexa's server. It's moved me a bunch of times (it's picking on me I swear, bloody annoying :tongue:). I've never seen the automated message prefixed with MB:.
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Originally Posted by Jamesonp*:

 

Really? I looked at all the code and I can't find anything that would add MB to the front of the message.

 

Is anyone else seeing this in-game?

[22:11:00] MB > All: *** MOVED scottie223 to unstack teams ...

[22:11:02] MB > vbc_bnt: vbc_bnt, you can't switch to team RU: switching to the winning team is not allowed, sending you back ...

[22:11:06] MB > SalmonTac0: SalmonTac0, you can't switch to team US: autobalance moved you to the RU team, sending you back ...

[22:16:28] MB > All: *** MOVED Tangra123 to unstack teams ...

[22:16:57] MB > All: *** MOVED Velky_Pivo to unstack teams ...

[22:17:04] MB > All: *** MOVED Slyman21 to unstack teams ...

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[22:11:00] MB > All: *** MOVED scottie223 to unstack teams ...

[22:11:02] MB > vbc_bnt: vbc_bnt, you can't switch to team RU: switching to the winning team is not allowed, sending you back ...

[22:11:06] MB > SalmonTac0: SalmonTac0, you can't switch to team US: autobalance moved you to the RU team, sending you back ...

[22:16:28] MB > All: *** MOVED Tangra123 to unstack teams ...

[22:16:57] MB > All: *** MOVED Velky_Pivo to unstack teams ...

[22:17:04] MB > All: *** MOVED Slyman21 to unstack teams ...

That's what it shows in the ProCon chat! Maybe it doesn't say MB: moved... in the chat when you are playing, only in ProCon
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Originally Posted by TreeSaint*:

 

Really? I looked at all the code and I can't find anything that would add MB to the front of the message.

 

Is anyone else seeing this in-game?

No Papa, It does say that in game chat. =-)
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Originally Posted by PapaCharlie9*:

 

Seen this epic plugin in action on Hexa's server. It's moved me a bunch of times (it's picking on me I swear, bloody annoying :tongue:). I've never seen the automated message prefixed with MB:.

You are a Colonel 100, what do you expect? He's the one that asked for that feature. :ohmy:
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Originally Posted by PapaCharlie9*:

 

Unless someone shows me a screenshot of the chat box in-game with "MB" in the message, I'm going to go with Singh400's observation as the answer. There is no code in the plugin that would put "MB" in the in-game chat box.

 

I understand that "MB" is in the chat.log in Procon Chat tab. That's not the question. The question was what are players in the game seeing in the chat box.

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Originally Posted by MarcoV1980*:

 

Really? I looked at all the code and I can't find anything that would add MB to the front of the message.

 

Is anyone else seeing this in-game?

Not sure, let me check, i see the MB in procon at the least.

 

edit: nope, dont think it does ingame, just saw the ***moving for balance

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Originally Posted by dyn*:

 

Feature / Suggestion:

 

We've had people upset about being unstacked and split away their team while playing on our TeamSpeak. What I'd prupose is a separate white list of 'do not unstack' names. The names on this list would still be subject to auto balancing but would never be selected for unstacking.

 

It seems the most push back I've seen from MB is the unstacking feature... Probably because it's a new, novel, approach to keeping the teams fair. If we were to selectively give our active members / guests the ability to be white listed from unstacking that would resolve, what many consider, a major issue. I think most everyone understands the need to keep the teams balanced number wise: auto balancing is not the biggest issue. This 'do not unstack' list could then be populated with members / guests who are active within everyone's group. Personally, I would advertise it as a benefit for players who are on our TeamSpeak no matter who they have in their friends list or their clan tag.

 

Thoughts and feasibility?

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Originally Posted by PapaCharlie9*:

 

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We've had people upset about being unstacked and split away their team while playing on our TeamSpeak. What I'd prupose is a separate white list of 'do not unstack' names. The names on this list would still be subject to auto balancing but would never be selected for unstacking.

 

It seems the most push back I've seen from MB is the unstacking feature... Probably because it's a new, novel, approach to keeping the teams fair. If we were to selectively give our active members / guests the ability to be white listed from unstacking that would resolve, what many consider, a major issue. I think most everyone understands the need to keep the teams balanced number wise: auto balancing is not the biggest issue. This 'do not unstack' list could then be populated with members / guests who are active within everyone's group. Personally, I would advertise it as a benefit for players who are on our TeamSpeak no matter who they have in their friends list or their clan tag.

 

Thoughts and feasibility?

How about this:

 

Change the existing Whitelist so that special codes can be added that modify the application of the whitelist.

 

Codes:

 

B = exclude from balancing only

U = exclude from unstacking only

S = exclude from unswitching only (wants to be able to switch teams freely)

D = exclude from Dispersal List (only applies when Dispersal List contains the clan tag of this player)

R = exclude from Dispersal By Rank

 

A name without any codes is the same as specifying all the codes (HexaCanon finally gets his wish). Codes are separated from the list item and from each other by spaces. The codes MUST be written AFTER the name, clan tag, or GUID.

 

Examples

 

A player Joe with clan tag XXX doesn't want to be unstacked. Other XXX clan members are fine with being unstacked.

 

Add this item to Whitelist:

 

Code: 

Joe U
A player Bob with clan tag 1234 belongs to a clan where all of the players want to be able to switch teams at any time.

 

Add this item to Whitelist:

 

Code: 

1234 S
A player Nancy with no clan tag doesn't want to be balanced or unstacked or Dispersed by Rank, but is willing to abide by the unswitching restrictions.

 

Add this item to Whitelist

 

Code: 

Nancy B U R
A player Sara with clan tag AAA doesn't want to be Dispersed, even though the AAA tag is in Dispersal Group 1, and wants to be able to switch teams freely.

 

Add this item to Whitelist

 

Code: 

Sara S D
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Originally Posted by dyn*:

 

How about this:

 

Change the existing Whitelist so that special codes can be added that modify the application of the whitelist.

Excellent!! Let the ideas flooooow through you. // end emperor palpatine

 

This would work wonderfully and, while it would require a bit more management on the admin side of things, it would enable an obscene level of control and fine tuning. Just epic.

 

One item to consider -- not really sure how this factors in -- the individuals on the VIP / Reserved list. If someone is on the VIP list, would they be immune to all balance operations like they are currently? For our setup having all VIP completely white listed makes the most sense. Because usually the VIPs are volunteers, admins, or have received some type of perk.

 

Ideas? Anyone else weigh in?

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Originally Posted by XRay206*:

 

Hello PapaCharlie9

 

Its that normal for a 64Slot Metro noRuls 1200Tickets?

 

[23:08:55 32] [MULTIbalancer] FINAL STATUS FOR PREVIOUS ROUND:

[23:08:55 33] [MULTIbalancer] Status: Map = Operation Metro, mode = Conquest Large, time in round = 00:41:43, tickets = 713/0

[23:08:55 34] [MULTIbalancer] Status: 1/35 raged, 11 reassigned, 1 balanced, 0 unstacked, 4 unswitched, 10 excluded, 4 exempted, 0 failed; of 2174 TOTAL

[23:08:55 34] [MULTIbalancer] Status: Team counts [64] = 32(US) vs 32(RU), with 0 unassigned

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Originally Posted by Singh400*:

 

You are a Colonel 100, what do you expect? He's the one that asked for that feature. :ohmy:

Not to pick on me, especially when I've worked so hard on capping the flags and pushing forwards. rant>

 

In all seriousness, it's an amazing plugin. And I've played some real nail biters with this plugin being the main architect. Top notch stuff man :cool:

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Originally Posted by PapaCharlie9*:

 

One item to consider -- not really sure how this factors in -- the individuals on the VIP / Reserved list. If someone is on the VIP list, would they be immune to all balance operations like they are currently? For our setup having all VIP completely white listed makes the most sense. Because usually the VIPs are volunteers, admins, or have received some type of perk.

Well, there are several ways to handle this. If Enable Whitelisting Of Reserved Slots List is True, I could:

 

A) Just add them with no codes, so they get full exclusion (even more than is true for 1.0.3)

 

B) Add them with B U S codes only (this is equivalent to 1.0.3)

 

C) Just add them with no codes UNLESS their name also exists on the Whitelist explicitly, in which case the explicit entry is preferred. This allows you to make minor modifications to the Reserved Slots list.

 

For example, if Reserved Slots has

 

Able

Baker

Charlie

 

And your Whitelist has

 

Baker U

 

Then "Baker U" is used in favor of "Baker", when the Reserved Slots names are added to the list.

 

I'll probably do C, since I have to check for duplicates anyway.

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Originally Posted by PapaCharlie9*:

 

Hello PapaCharlie9

 

Its that normal for a 64Slot Metro noRuls 1200Tickets?

 

[23:08:55 32] [MULTIbalancer] FINAL STATUS FOR PREVIOUS ROUND:

[23:08:55 33] [MULTIbalancer] Status: Map = Operation Metro, mode = Conquest Large, time in round = 00:41:43, tickets = 713/0

[23:08:55 34] [MULTIbalancer] Status: 1/35 raged, 11 reassigned, 1 balanced, 0 unstacked, 4 unswitched, 10 excluded, 4 exempted, 0 failed; of 2174 TOTAL

[23:08:55 34] [MULTIbalancer] Status: Team counts [64] = 32(US) vs 32(RU), with 0 unassigned

Looks perfectly normal. MB unstacking and balancing can help a lot of maps/modes be close games, but Metro is an exception. There's not much that can be done to make Metro always be close, short of kicking players or giving the losing team a nuke.
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Originally Posted by PapaCharlie9*:

 

Where is the MULTIbalancer - 1.0.3.5?

That is a test version. It's not available. The released version is 1.0.3.0.

 

Although I have noticed that some people are using unauthorized copies of my test versions. Without even the courtesy of telling me, let alone offering to test.

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Originally Posted by PapaCharlie9*:

 

Papa Charlie 9, is that I saw the update message yesterday at the panel "plugin settings"

Yes. If you set Debug Level high enough, you will see the plugin checking all the current plugin versions available, so it can notify you if there is an update. Also, on your server where I am testing, you might see my test version.
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Originally Posted by kcuestag*:

 

Yes. If you set Debug Level high enough, you will see the plugin checking all the current plugin versions available, so it can notify you if there is an update. Also, on your server where I am testing, you might see my test version.

Awesome, I guess it'll be released soon? Can't wait. :biggrin:
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Originally Posted by SnotGoblin*:

 

LOL! This explains a lot, I was watching the servers whilst starting them yesterday morning, and the plugin popped up and told me I was using an out dated version! Within 30 seconds I was here looking for the replacement! haha, so keen are we to have the next version working on our servers, I check here every hour for updates!

Keep up the good work Papa!

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Originally Posted by PapaCharlie9*:

 

I have a request for a future version of Multi-Balancer, could you make the "Minutes After Being Moved" (Default 90) also respect the rank dispersal?

 

Lvl 145 dispersal helps a lot, but it always tends to balance the same players over and over every new round and I'm wondering if you could make it so they don't get dispersed again for the next 90 minutes with that option.

 

Thanks!

I just finished writing the code that will enable this feature. When the new version is released, look for the exclusion setting Lenient Rank Dispersal. You'll want to set it to True.
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Originally Posted by kcuestag*:

 

I just finished writing the code that will enable this feature. When the new version is released, look for the exclusion setting Lenient Rank Dispersal. You'll want to set it to True.

You sir, are AWESOME. Can't wait for the release!
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Originally Posted by dyn*:

 

is ticket loss ratio going to be implemented ? i had too many complaints regarding unstacking i just disabled it.

 

otherwise everything is perfect.

Have you tried renaming the line for when someone is unstacked? I've got our setup so that it appears to the average user that they're being moved for 'balance'. Though when I search the logs I've got a special code in that line so i can see that they were unstacked. Then I also run silent mode without any type of yell enable.

 

 

Doing the above has resulted in fewer complaints about the unstacker.

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Have you tried renaming the line for when someone is unstacked? I've got our setup so that it appears to the average user that they're being moved for 'balance'. Though when I search the logs I've got a special code in that line so i can see that they were unstacked. Then I also run silent mode without any type of yell enable.

 

Doing the above has resulted in fewer complaints about the unstacker.

Clever. Remind me never to declare psychological warfare on your clan.

 

Should I change the default message to "*** MOVED because you are sooo special!"? :smile:

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